Immo Betrug / Scam

auf Wohnungssuche begegnet man lustigen Sachen. Da war dieses extrem billige Angebot (2 Zi, 80m² für 550€) mit spannender Adresse, aber fragen kostet ja nix.

Die erste Mail der Anbieterin war dann:

Hi,

Thanks for your interest. The apartment is still available. I moved recently with my job in London, United Kingdom, but the rent is high here, I decided to offer to rent the apartment I have in Munchen . I rented the apartment for maximum 10 years … This is the period that I have a contract here, but I can rent it for a shorter period also. I own the ground and is exactly as in the photos. The rent for 1 month is 550 EUR and does not include all the utilities you (water, electricity, Internet, cable). You can enter the apartment on the same day when receiving the keys .. The only problem is that i had to move with my job to United Kingdom, London where i am now and i left the keys and contract already signed by me at a company called Rent.com and they will handle the payment and delivery for us. If you want to know more about how this deal can work please get back to me ASAP and i will send you the details step by step. Thank you and hope to hear back from you.

My German is limited at just a few words so i wish a lot to continue our conversation in English.

dann ging’s 2x per Mail hin und her,

Hello,

If we decide to proceed with this transaction, I will have to contact Rent.com and provide them all the necessary information, so they can start the process right away. I will need your full name and address for that. You will receive a notification from Rent.com shortly after that, together with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.

Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit the money to a Rent.com account. They will hold and insure your money until you check the apartment and decide if you want take it or not. That is how their buyer protection policy works. As far as my concerns, I will be glad to know that Rent.com has the possession of the money during the delivery period. That is my insurance.

As soon as the funds have been deposited into their account, they will immediately start the shipping process.

The keys and rental contract will be delivered at your address in no more than 3 working days. You will be given a ten days inspection period from the day you receive the keys and contract at home. If you decide to hold the apartment, then you will have to authorize Rent.com to release the funds to me, and the transaction will be completed. If you will not be satisfied with the apartment, you will be able to send the keys and contract back through the same service and ask Rent.com to return the funds to you.

Through I am sure you will love the apartment, it is good to know that you do have this second option available. If you wish to proceed with renting the apartment, please provide me your full name and address so I can initiate the deal through Rent.com right away.

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards,

die Anbieterin wollte nicht anrufen aber eine Zahlungsanweisung kam, die mich dann richtig stutizg machte, weil

  1. der ganze Ablauf eh schon recht seltsam war,
  2. deren Absenderemail „rentcom@consultant.com“ nicht mal von rent.com kam,
  3. rent.com außerhalb USA gar nix macht,
  4. die Einlieferungs-IP der Zahlungsanweisung die gleiche wie die der Mails von der Anbieterin war,
  5. ja sogar „In-Reply“ auf die vorherigen Mails,
  6. das Geld an jemanden anderen gehen sollte,
  7. an der Wohnungs-Adresse wohl gar keine Wohnungen sind,
  8. ein Spezl mich auf die Warnungen bei rent.com und einen Bericht bei der BBC hinwies.

Nach meiner Frage nach dem Namen des Hausmeisters war dann Funkstille in London.

Zu guter letzt hat mich Immoscout24 heute nochmal per Mail vor Betrügern gewarnt.

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Comments 14

  1. martl wrote:

    ja, sowas hab ich mal im fernsehen gesehen, das ist schon ne krasse abzocke mit der wohnungsnot in münchen vor allem… aber gut gelöst 😉

    Posted 12 Mai 2010 at 12:43 pm
  2. mro wrote:

    Gestern noch im Fernsehen, heute schon in echt, LOL. Ein Glück wenn man Freunde hat, die sich im Internet auskennen.

    Posted 12 Mai 2010 at 12:53 pm
  3. Johnny wrote:

    Hammer hab grad das angebot bekommen von der Schlampe. Hab euern Threat gelesen und mir gedacht ich antworte mal drauf und spiel mit. Tja mal schauen was rauskommt. Hehe hab sie nach nem Bankaccount gefragt wo ich mein Geld hinüberweisen kann. Jetzt wart ich auf die Antwort aus London.
    Liebe Grüße, und danke für die Info

    Posted 13 Mai 2010 at 10:37 pm
  4. Anonym wrote:

    Ich habe jetzt auch nach eine Wohnung zum Kauf in München gesucht. Und bin auf immobielienscout24 auf eine tolle Wohnung zum Kauf gestolpert. Ich wurde jetzt auch aufgefordert Geld uzwar x% vom Kaufpreis über Western union zusenden. Dieses betrag würde zurück geschickt wenn ich die Wohnung nicht kaufen werde.
    Die email sieht genauso aus wie oben beschrieben.

    Wo kann man das anmelden damit dieser Täter mal fest genomen werden?

    Danke
    Anonym

    Posted 14 Mai 2010 at 10:42 am
  5. mro wrote:

    hm, ich hab‘ auch schon darüber nachgedacht mit den Emails zur Polizei zu gehen. Ist sicher interessant, wie die da reagieren würden.

    Posted 14 Mai 2010 at 9:08 pm
  6. ginda wrote:

    da scheint die veröffentlichung schon anderen geholfen zu haben

    Posted 17 Mai 2010 at 10:08 am
  7. stefan wrote:

    Hallo,
    habe das gleiche mit immobilienscout24 erlebt. Habe aus Neugier mal ein paar Emails hin und her mitgespielt. Lustig der Scammer wohnt bei „Capital Records London“ 🙂

    auf spiegel schreiben sie auch darüber:
    http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,692888,00.html

    __________________
    Hi,

    Thanks for your interest.The apartment is still available. I moved recently with my job in London, United Kingdom, but the rent is high here, I decided to offer for sale the apartment I have in Berlin.
    The apartment is exactly as in the photos and include all the utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable).
    You can enter the apartment on the same day when receiving the keys ..
    The only problem is that i had to move with my job to United Kingdom, London where i am now and i left the keys and contract already signed by me at a company called Rent.com and they will handle the payment and delivery for us.
    If you want to know more about how this deal can work please get back to me ASAP and i will send you the details step by step.
    Thank you and hope to hear back from you.

    Hello,

    If we decide to proceed with this transaction, I will have to contact Rent.com and provide them all the necessary information,

    so they can start the process right away. I will need your full name and address for that. You will receive a notification from Rent.com shortly after that,

    together with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.

    Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit 2% from total price (98000 euro) to Rent.com account.

    They will hold and insure your money until you check the apartment and decide if you want take it or not.

    That is how their buyer protection policy works. As far as my concerns, I will be glad to know that Rent.com has the possession of the money during the delivery period. That is my insurance.

    As soon as the funds have been deposited into their account, they will immediately start the shipping process.

    The keys and sale contract will be delivered at your address in no more than 2 working days. You will be given a ten days inspection period from the day you receive the keys and contract at home.

    If you decide to hold the apartment, then you will have to authorize Rent.com to release the funds to me, and the transaction will be completed.

    If you will not be satisfied with the apartment, you will be able to send the keys and contract back through the same service and ask Rent.com to return the funds to you.

    Through I am sure you will love the apartment, it is good to know that you do have this second option available. If you wish to proceed , please provide me your full name and address so I can initiate the deal through Rent.com right away.

    I am looking forward to hearing from you.

    Regards,

    I have sent your details to the company .You will receive a notification from Rent.com shortly after that, together with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well. Regarding the payment, you will be instructed to deposit the money to a Rent.com account.

    Please let me know as soon as they will contact you ok ?

    Thanks
    _____________
    haben auf Nachfrage eine Adresse erfunden:

    Kleiberweg str ,13156 Berlin, Rudow (Neukölln)
    Please let me know as soon as rent.com will contact you

    Rent.com® is a fast, reliable way to pay or get paid for selling apartments.

    Use it with Move.com®, Craigslist®, and more

    Payment sent to the Rent.com Agent

    Available online

    Rent.com reduce the risks associated with Internet transactions by acting as a licensed neutral agency such as Escrow. The seller delivers the package to Rent.com agents for full evaluation of content. The package will remain in the company custody until the receiver will send the payment through a Money Order Service (Western Union Service). After verifying the funds, Rent.com is ready to ship the parcel to the designated address.

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    NOTE: In order to avoid the earlier pick up of funds by the shipper, based on fact that he is aware of the sent payment, we are advising you to assign a password to this transaction, which will be revealed to the shipper along with all the transaction details after the delivery and your clearance. To asign a password to this transaction simply send us a key word along with the tansfer details. Consider this security measure if you haven’t bought from this seller before and you believe that this is in your best interest.
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    Address Information:

    Ship To:
    First name: ####
    Last name : ####
    Address :###
    City: Berlin
    PostalCode: 12489
    Country : Germany
    E-mail : ######@#####

    Shipper:
    First name: Robert
    Last name : Muntari
    Address : 30 Leicester Square
    City/State: London
    PostalCode: WC2H 7LA
    Country : United Kingdom
    E-mail : robertmuntari@gmx.com

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    Package Information:

    Apartment Keys and sale contract verified and signed by the Sender. All the papers are double checked.

    -Package ID: : 56083712
    -Insured Value Amount 3% : 1,960 € ( 98,000 €)
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    Payment Information:

    Western Union®

    You can pay with cash at any Western Union Office and have payment sent to the Rent.com Agent. That frees the seller to confidently send you the keys and documents – saving you days of waiting!

    IT’S EASY:

    Visit any one of Western Union nearly 45,000 Agent locations and fill out the appropriate Western Union form to send your payment in cash.
    Your payment is typically sent within minutes … usually faster than paying with money orders or COD.

    IT’S CONVENIENT:

    There are nearly 45,000 Western Union Agent locations nationwide. Many are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    How to complete payment?

    Pay with cash at any Western Union Office using the Rent.com Agent’s payment details :

    First name: Alexander
    Last name : William
    Address : The Queen’s Walk
    City/State: London
    PostalCode: SE1 2AA
    Country : United Kingdom

    Once you sent payment, please email us (
    Rentcom@consultant.com)
    the following informations:

    – MTCN# – 10 digits number from the payment receipt :
    – Sender’s Name and Address :
    – Receiver`s Name :
    – Amount transferred :
    – Scanned Receipt from Western Union:

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    If your payment is approved, typically within 6 hours, you will receive an email confirming that your payment is approved, after payment validation seller will receive an verified payment email confirmation and will be required to start the shipping process and submit the shipping receipts for validation within 48 hours. Payment will be held by Rent.com until you confirm us that you are satisfied with the apartment. As soon as we receive your confirmation we will get the payment available for pick up by the seller.

    Posted 14 Jun 2010 at 10:43 pm
  8. jana wrote:

    Ich habe auch ein interessantes Angebot auf der Seite Immobilienscout24 gefunden. Es wurde eine 78m große Wohnung in münchner Innenstadt zum unglaublichen Kaufpreis von 65 000 angeboten.
    Nach eine Anfrage habe ich eine E-Mail mit folgendem Text bekommen:

    Thanks for your interest.The apartment is still available. I moved recently with my job in Texas,Usa , but the rent is high here, and I decided to offer for sale the apartment I have in München. The apartment is exactly as in the photos and include all the utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable). You can enter the apartment on the same day when receiving the keys. The only problem is that i had to move with my job to Usa, Texas where i am now and i left the keys and contract already signed by me at a company called Rent.com and they will handle the payment and delivery for us.
    If you want to know more about how this deal can work please get back to me as soon as possible and i will send you the details step by step.
    Thank you and hope to hear back from you.

    My German is limited at just a few words so i wish a lot to continue our conversation in English.

    Posted 09 Aug 2010 at 11:52 am
  9. mro wrote:

    der gleiche SCAM. Am besten bei Immoscout als Betrugsversuch melden.

    Posted 09 Aug 2010 at 12:00 pm
  10. Sabine wrote:

    Hallo, rent.com ist wieder aktiv!!!! Habe 2 Superangebote zum Kauf bei immonet gefunden, eins in München, eins in Hamburg, beide in bester Citylage zu einem sagenhaften Preis. Allerdings kam mir der Name des Anbieters in München, Henry Shrapnel, sonderbar vor – und siehe da, google sei dank, Mr. Shrapnel wurde 1761 geboren. Auch die Anzahlung von 2% des Kaufpreises fand ich eigenartig. Als Antwort dann identische Mails auf Englisch. Hat eigentlich inzwischen jemand Anzeige erstattet?

    Posted 19 Okt 2010 at 2:35 pm
  11. Nina Michelle wrote:

    Hello People,
    here´s another scam to look out for. Using Immonet.de, this offer was just too good to be true:

    Begin forwarded message:

    From: Lucas Alfred
    Date: November 7, 2010 12:20:10 PM GMT+01:00
    Subject: RE: Anfrage fuer Ihr Objekt auf Immonet, Immonet-Nummer: 15103688

    Thank you for your reply but the matter is that I’m in Liverpool already. Like I have inform you before, the price you shall pay for one month of rent will be 400 EUR + 400 security deposit ( 800 euro ), with no extra taxes to pay.I must have one month rent + security deposit from you. The money, I want to recive it monthly to my bank account, so I hope it will be no problem for you to wire the money to my bank account. The apartment is ready for you, you will need only to receive the keys and the contract to check it, and see if you like it. Obviously we need a way to complete this deal, that will allow us to make sure we receive what we are after. In order of that I have found a way for us to complete the deal safely and fast, and in this way you will receive the Keys in less than 2 days, if you move fast as well. The solution is provided by a company called MoneyBookers which is similar to FedEx or UPS, which will handle both payment and delivery of the Keys. I have found a procedure that will allow you to pay for the rent of the apt only after you will receive the keys of it and through this way you will see it and decide if you will stay in the apt or not before I receive my payment. Please click on the link bellow to the MoneyBookers website to see how we can complete the deal safely and fast directly from the website of the company where the procedure is explained: https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=escrow&l=EN
    Let me know if you are interested please because I really need to take care of this matter.

    Subject: Re: Anfrage fuer Ihr Objekt auf Immonet, Immonet-Nummer: 15103688
    Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 02:54:34 +0100
    To: lucasalfred77@hotmail.com

    Daer Lucas,

    Thank you kindly for your reply. I´d be interested in viewing the appartment – please let me know when this could be arranged, thank you.

    Kind regards,
    Nina Nagy

    On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Lucas Alfred wrote:

    Hello,
    Thank you for your interest.My name is Lucas Alfred and from the internet add, you could see, i have available the apartment located in: 2-Zimmer-Wohnung in München Maxvorstadt 400Euro/mess ( Erzgießereistrasse 20 , 80335 , München Maxvorstadt , Germany ). It has 2 bedrooms, 1 bathrooms, 1 kitchen and 1 living room .
    I am looking for someone to live in it, as soon as possible, because my company has won the auction for a project, in construction, for a building that will rise up in Liverpool , United Kingdom . I am a civil engineer, so my accommodation period in Liverpool will be about 4 – 6 years. The renting period is from 1 months upto 1-8 years. As a result of this I want to rent, for this period, at this price and also to find the perfect person for my apartment. I`m the owner of the apt and it’s like in the pics.
    The apartment is furnished, but I have the option of sending all my furniture into storage if you want to bring your own (no extra costs). The rent for 1 month is 400Euro (for the whole apartment) including all utilities (water, electricity, Internet, cable, parking, air conditioning, dishwasher, garbage disposal, microwave, refrigerator). You can move in the apt in the same day when you receive the keys. The only problem is that I`m the only person who has the keys but I hope that we will find a solution.

    Thank you for your interest and I will look forward to hearing from you soon.

    Lucas Alfred
    P.S. Please tell me if this is what are you looking for and reply my only if you are truly interested in the apt.

    Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 03:01:38 +0100
    From: noreply@immonet.de
    To: lucasalfred77@hotmail.com
    Subject: Anfrage fuer Ihr Objekt auf Immonet, Immonet-Nummer: 15103688

    Posted 07 Nov 2010 at 1:13 pm
  12. Beate Mohamed wrote:

    Hallo,
    gestern (27.12.2010) war bei Immobilienscout für den Raum Frankfurt ein Haus für einen super günstigen Preis angeboten. Auf Anfrage erhielt ich genau die selbe E-mail auf englisch mit genau dem selben Wortlaut. Also aufgepasst – die Betrüger sind wieder aktiv!!!!

    Posted 28 Dez 2010 at 1:35 pm
  13. TSD wrote:

    Und das Arsch ist unter dem Namen Joachim Georg weiterhin aktiv:

    Good Morning,

    If we decide to proceed with this transaction, I will have to contact company UPS to provide all necessary information so they can begin the process immediately. We need full name, address, telephone number and if you have a copy of this ID. You will receive a notification from UPS company shortly thereafter, with all the instructions to follow and the invoice as well.
    As regards payment, will be instructed to deposit money, first payment a month’s rent in advance + 1 one month warranty (EUR 860) to an account of the company UPS. I need to pay in advance at the company UPS because I’m tired of people who are just looking around and not serious about hiring. UPS The Company will hold and secure the money until you check the apartment and decide if you want to take it or not. This is how their policy works buyer protection. As for me myself, I’ll be glad to know that company UPS has possession of money during the delivery. This is my insurance. Once the funds were deposited into their account, they will begin shipping process. The keys and rental contract will be delivered to your address in not more than 2 days. You will be given control over three days from the day you receive the keys and contract at home. If you decide to keep the apartment, then you will need to authorize the company UPS to release the funds for me and the transaction will be completed. If you are not satisfied with the apartment, you can send the keys and the contract and company UPS will return the funds to your same day.
    Although I am sure you will love the apartment, it is good to know that you have this second option available. If you want to continue renting the apartment, please tell me your name and full address so I can start business immediately through the company UPS.
    I look forward to hearing from you.
    Regards.

    Posted 15 Mai 2012 at 9:46 pm
  14. Carsten Emmerling wrote:

    Mir auch gerade passiert… Hier die erste Mail:

    Hello,

    Thank you reply to the advert placed and I`m sorry to write in English, but I do not speak German. I’m happy to inform you that the place is still available for rent and you are the first person who contact me about it. I personally own the property located in: Freiligrathstraße 50, 60385 , Frankfurt am Main, Germany, and also want to rent it out, and I’m looking for a responsible person that can take very good care of it as we are not after the money for the rent but want it to be clean at all time and the person that will rent it to take it as if it were its own. Apartment have 1-bedroom, 1-bathroom, 1-kitchen and 1-living room, and the apartment features a range of facilities including washing machine, air conditioning, internet and phone, a car parking. The apartment was renovated in March 2012 and all the utilies are brand new. Also, I have no problem with pets. Minimum rental period is one month and can be extented to how much time do you need to leave there. The apartment is furnished as seen in the photos. The monthly rent is 300 Euro including bills for hot water, cold water, gas, heat, electricity, cable TV, internet access. Security deposit (Kaution) is 300 euros, at the end of the lease, this it will be refunded to you (you have to give me at least two months notice before leaving the apartment).

    I bought this apartment for my 8 years ago when my company sent me in Germany for a Aerospace Project, but nine months ago my company offer me a 13 years contract in United Kingdom, and now I decide to rent the apartment.

    Now, a little about me so that we can get to know each other better. My name is Walter Karl Wisdom and I am a 59 years old Aerospace Engineering at Stoke/ United Kingdom (Thales UK Aerospace). The only inconvenience is that my job does not let me go, even for a single day. But this will not affect at all. I can make arrangements to rent the apartment from Stoke (at my expense, of course).

    Thank`s for your interest and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

    Aerospace Engineering: Walter Karl Wisdom

    Manche Leute werden immer dreister 🙁

    Schönen Tag noch

    Posted 30 Jan 2013 at 8:16 pm

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